Overcoming Adversity: A Journey of Resilience with Jay Satchel

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Welcome to the Internal Shift Show. I'm Debbie

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Longo, Transformational Coach. This show explores

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how we think, decide, and respond internally,

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influences where we end up over time. Today's

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conversation draws on real experience and expertise

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to look at how small internal shifts can change

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direction, momentum, and outcomes. We have a

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special guest today, Jay Satchel. Good afternoon,

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Jay. Welcome to the show. Hi, Debbie. How you

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doing? Would you like to tell us a little bit

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about yourself briefly, what happened in your

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past and what positive things allowed you to

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come over, come to the other side, to make it

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to the other side, to make it where you've accomplished

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things that you didn't know that you could and

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just about how you grew as time went on. Well,

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I was raised on a big working farm in the upper

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Midwest. And I think that they say from a birth

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to 17 pretty much shapes a lot of your life.

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And I was raised with the thought of if there's

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a will, there's a way and a lot of responsibility.

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I was raised with inch by inch. It's a cinch.

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Yard by yard, it's very hard. So I had all those

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things growing up. You can be anything or do

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anything you want to. It's just up to you to

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do it. I can't do it for you. You have to do

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it. And so find that purpose and find that meaning

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or find that strength and find what direction

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you want to go or need to go or make that change.

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So I think growing up on the farm was a, it's

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just like if you don't get up and feed several

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hundred out of cattle, they're going to die.

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You can't have that. That's your life. you have

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to tend the crops. So there's that sense of urgency

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if the weather's changing or if a cattle are

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sick or just the responsibility of everything.

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But my grandmother, my dad's mom was Pennsylvania

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Dutch. So she came with a lot of sayings, if

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you will, and a lot of positive attitude. But

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my parents were very much option thinkers and

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wouldn't let somebody They believed in us, and

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I think that's what really gave me a strong background.

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And when I got out of high school, I went into

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the Marine Corps, and the Marine Corps took what

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I had already had a good background, and they

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just pounded it into my head further and deeper.

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So I've kind of kept that, not kind of, I've

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actually kept that positive attitude throughout

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my life. It's something that has grown. because

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of what I've been through. But when I was in

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the Marine Corps, I died my first time, and I

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spent a year in the Naval Hospital, and they

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got me back. And that changed a lot, some of

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what I thought, but it proved something. And

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I'm going to go into here shortly. When I got

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out of the hospital, they didn't have any PT

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or OT or psychiatric, nothing. If you can get

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the leg braces on and go, you just go. But when

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I got out, I kind of stayed around the house,

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so to speak, at my parents for about three or

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four months. And then with my leg braces on,

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I started getting little jobs. Well, the jobs

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just don't work out for me because They didn't

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want me to sit and they didn't want me to stand.

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And I had to do one or the other because of my

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leg braces or my back pain. So I started little

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businesses. But I had three going, three that

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were doing pretty darn good. But then I got hit

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by a drunk driver and he got thrown out of his

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pickup and killed. And I rolled multiple times

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and then... I got torn up real bad. I bled out

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and again was ascending up into the sky and looking

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at the people working on me after about 20 minutes

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out in the middle of nowhere. That's back in

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73. So we didn't have cell phones or any of that.

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But I look back at that, and I don't know that

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I had a lot of... I didn't bring a lot of my

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faith on how I was raised from Sunday school

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or church into it. I was more charged forward.

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Move forward. You've got this. Don't give up.

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Stay strong. Just keep pounding away. So moving

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forward, I did. I started a couple of other companies.

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I finally got a I eventually reached out and

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I got a job corporately with the fifth largest

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corporation in America at the time. And six months

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later, I jumped to the swimming pool and broke

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my neck and drowned. and I broke it in four places.

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I was paralyzed from the shoulders down, never

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supposed to move. And that was my biggest challenge,

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because I say this about the Marine Corps and

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being all busted up and really bad, and the car

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accident with a drunk driver. I say it like this,

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sweat dries, blood clots and broken bones heal.

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Suck it up, you know, so I could see my third

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degree burns. I could see my broken legs I could

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see the traction unit I could see all of this

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and I know through time and Time and patience

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and and just the way you heal Normally, it's

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like a way if you cut your arm It gets a scab

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and pretty soon the scab after two weeks turns

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into skin and you're back again And that's kind

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of what happened. But the broken neck gave me

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a whole different vision, because it's something

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you can't see. It's like brain cancer. It's like

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my PTSD or my TBI I had, or my SCI, my spinal

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cord injury. It's something that you have to

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really rely on. And that's where I had to reach

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back over time and really reassess, what is it

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that I've been through that can help me move

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forward? A lot of times I say this, it's in my

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book, I start the book out with it, that is,

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what lies behind us and what lies ahead of us

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are small matters compared to what lies within

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us. And if you think about that, you take what

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you've learned from the past, good or bad, failures

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and successes, and use those to move forward.

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But it's within you to do that. There's another

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thing I use. It's If it is to be, it is up to

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me. It just tends to tend to letter words that

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are very simple. But I think that addresses for

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a lot of people that the fact that it's up to

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them to do it, not that they shouldn't reach

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out and get some encouragement either from podcasts

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or reading or talking to somebody that's been

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through that. But I continued on. I was able

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to walk. They never they told me I couldn't.

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And One of the things that they told me that

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they... Well, they had a meeting about five months

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after I was in the rehab institute. And one of

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them was that they didn't like the fact that

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I talked about what happened in the Marine Corps

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or what happened after the car accident, because

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that was not relevant to what I was going through

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with a broken neck. But it is. When you've died

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and you've fought for a year, a year to get up

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and get going, There's a lot of strength. There's

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a lot of determination. There's a lot of resilience,

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perseverance, that they didn't realize what I

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had been through. So I just used bits and pieces

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of that to help me. And from that, I finally

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got back to work, and I did. Outstanding. I went

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really good. Very, very well. But they retired

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me when I was 41. I was only 41. I was retired

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my third time already. It was crazy because I

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had too many surgeries. My paralysis was getting

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worse. But when they did, I didn't want to stop.

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So I started more companies and they went very,

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very well. But a lot of that, Debbie. You rely,

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I did anyhow, I relied on what I did with my

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companies and the people I work with and stuff,

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is to lead by example. Let them know, hey, here,

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I'm a high school graduate. I'm mostly paralyzed

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or I'm largely paralyzed. I was a functioning

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quadriplegic with marked right side hemiparesis,

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which means my right side never really worked

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after 31. But if I can do it, what's your problem?

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that you can't do it. And what can I do to encourage

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you? How can I help you? How can I work with

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you? And I think that that's where throughout

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my life I've shifted many times. I look back

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now at 76 years old and I'm quite involved and

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I'm a major partner in a company that we started

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three years ago. It's national. We just went

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international and We're raising my wife and I

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are raising twins that we've had since they were

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three weeks old and they're eight and a half

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years. I've written a book. I authored a book

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that came out here about six weeks ago that's

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doing very well. And I doing in talking to people,

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which I've done multiple times over the years,

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20, 25 years, I find it, it gives you a lot of

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reflection. It's things that you're going to

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ask me or ask me to tell you about. A lot of

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times you don't think about that. And I do have

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some people, when they've asked me something,

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they've mentioned back, you know what, I've never

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really thought about asking myself that question.

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It's like, really brings out something, but there's

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a, you have a constant change, whether it's in

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you from what you've been through or what you're

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anticipating to do that I think is, it's all

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life changing. So I was, had a very similar situation.

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I was in a car accident. And I had a broken neck

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and I had to. So I had to learn to walk again

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and all these different things. I had my knees

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will crush. I had to get to two knee replacements.

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So do you feel that? Because I know when that

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happened to me and there was other traumatic

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experiences that have happened in my life, too.

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And I felt that something traumatic had to happen

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to me in order for me to move forward, because

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It doesn't always work where I say it's time

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for me to move forward and everything is going

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to work out and I'm in this spot and I shouldn't

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be here. So do you feel that when you had that

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traumatic experience and other ones maybe that

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you've had, did that really allow you to see

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things a lot clearer than before you had those

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experiences and you knew that you needed to move

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forward? do all these different things you've

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been explaining after that happens? I don't think

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so. I really don't. I approached all of my life

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as I could accomplish it, that I felt that I

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could move forward. Now, did I run into any roadblocks

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or detours? Of course. And whether that was in

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the military or whether it was afterwards or

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whatever. But if anything ever became clearer,

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Internally, it was probably about five months

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after I broke my neck when I was 31, and I still

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wasn't doing very well. I was progressing a little

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bit. I wasn't doing very well yet. And I believe

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probably it was the power of prayer. that got

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to me. It was the understanding and the true

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belief that I could overcome it and only I could

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overcome it because it was not just working.

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Well, they had a roundtable with all the doctors

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and nurses and all that and the PTOT one time.

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And they said we're concerned about Mr. Setchel

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also because he doesn't just overdo in PT and

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occupational therapy. He works and doesn't just

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work when he goes back to his room, which he's

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not supposed to. He works not only just to the

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point of exhaustion, he works past the point

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of exhaustion. And because I wouldn't quit. So

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if anything changed, I believe that my broken

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neck and the fact that I was never supposed to

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move and I've been mostly paralyzed or largely

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paralyzed for years and years, and it's always

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gotten worse. I got away from it, but it's going

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back. from brain stem surgeries, so on. And I

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think that that probably was more of a defining

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moment because I had to reach deeper than I ever

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did before. The original part was painful. It

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was terrible. It was ripped up. It was burns.

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There was femur sticking out and all that kind

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of stuff. But at the same time, I know that those

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little things will overcome because, like I said,

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Sweat dries and blood clots and broken bones

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heal. Yeah, so you've had this Attitude and behavior

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your whole life pretty much. I could do it a

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positive attitude I could do anything that I

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want I could accomplish anything that I want

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that's good for you because That's just the quality

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to me that not a lot of people have Because I

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could sit in negativity and say, I'm not going

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to accomplish anything. And maybe I didn't my

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whole life. Or maybe I did and then I stopped

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or something like that. And then I would rather

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sit in the negative than sit in the positive.

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Different things like that. So this is very good

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for us to hear your story and everything that

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you're saying and how you accomplish these things.

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Because, like I said, you have one step ahead

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of a lot of people. But regardless of that, but

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regardless of that, you went out and you practice

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what you were thinking. You practice what you

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believe. And you were solid with it. and what

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you believe you make because to me, I make my

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own future. We all make our own future. If I

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want to do it, I know that I could do it. Maybe

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if at some point I don't think I could do it,

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then I won't. So to me, like the mind pretty

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much controls pretty much everything, which is

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another thing that we're talking about here.

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So because these things are presented to me a

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lot of things. different careers, school, business,

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whether I want to take it or not, that's completely

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up to me. So to me, we have many different paths

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and many different things that we could go on.

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And this is what you chose. I don't know if you

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had other paths or other opportunities. Maybe

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people presented other opportunities to you,

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but this is what you chose. And we're talking

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here about all these ways that you were one way

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in the beginning, even just unexperienced. And

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now you've said to yourself, I want to accomplish

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these things. And now you've done it. And now

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you're experienced. And now you can tell your

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story in a positive way. got from one side to

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another. And it's just a matter of that. It might

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not be positive or negative. It might just be

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something that you need to explore. You might

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not know exactly what you want to do and how

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you want to accomplish it. And you might not

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know until you try, dry linearum. That's very,

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very true. And a lot of what you're saying is

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I've always, like I said earlier, I was raised

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with, in my head, my parents saying, You can

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do anything you want. You can be anything you

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want. You just have to do it. You have to if

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it is to be, it is up to me kind of thing. And

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I think that a lot of it is I'd like to share.

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And about 25 years ago, I like to tell this little

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story. If I may, I was asked to speak. I had

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one another company I started after they let

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me go when I was 41. And it was doing very good.

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We were we were doing very well. And an assistant

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principal from an alternative high school where

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kids go after if they've been bad or they've

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been kicked out of school, they have an opportunity

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to go back. He asked me if I would speak about

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my business because we were doing stuff for the

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school district. And there was one hundred seventy

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eight thousand kids in the school district. It

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was a pretty good size one. And I told him, I'm

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not. I mean, how am I going to tell kids about

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what we're doing? We're doing graphics and digital

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imaging and trade show booths that went around

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the world and whatnot. But he asked me the next

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year and I said, no, thanks. And he asked me

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the next year. Well, I went home and I thought

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about it and I said, you know what? I am going

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to talk. But what I did, though, Debbie, is I

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only talked for about two or three minutes about

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the business. Then I talked about what it takes

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to get through life. And I pointed out to the

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students in the five different classes that I

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talked to, I started out with Henry Ford. I started

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out with Henry Ford went bankrupt three times

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before he became Henry Ford. A lot of people

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don't know that. Mr. Hershey with Hershey candy

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bars, four times. Walt Disney, who'd probably

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turn over in his grave if he saw what was going

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on with Disney today, he went bankrupt five times.

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And then he and had a nervous breakdown. Okay.

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So those people, what if they would have quit?

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So that's what I kind of brought to the subject.

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I brought to the thing. And then the last class,

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something that affected my life to this day.

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And this is kind of like something I hadn't experienced.

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I wasn't looking for it. It just happened. But

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I mentioned in the last class, I said, in the

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first class this morning, there was an individual

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that they were there. And by the way, I told

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all these kids before when I started each class,

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I said, you all are winners and you're all winners

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because you're here. If you weren't winners,

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you'd be out there. And I pointed at the window.

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You wouldn't be trying. So anyhow, but I mentioned

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in the first class, there was an individual that

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didn't take any notes. They didn't have good

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eye contact. They didn't pay any attention. Really,

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they kind of like it was like. Okay, well, whatever.

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And everybody else was pretty well involved.

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And in the last class I mentioned, I said, now

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in this class, there's an individual that's dressed

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professionally. They've paid attention. They've

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taken notes. They've had good eye contact. They've

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nodded their head. They've been involved. And

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what it was was talking about people and how

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you can hire people as well. And I said, that

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person this morning, I wouldn't hire them for

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anything. He couldn't have paid me to work for

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me because he'd been a problem. This person I

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would hire today. And I pointed out and it was

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a young black girl. And here I'm on a walker

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and I'm a 52, 53 year old white guy with gray

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hair on a walker. And I point out, I said, I

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would hire this young lady today. And I, and

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I kind of went into it a little bit. Well, the

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class that was at the end of the class and one

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of the adults that was behind me at another person

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about my age, maybe not as old, maybe older,

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I don't recall. But then when they walked out,

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they shook my hand and they said, I have never

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heard anybody talk to students as firmly, as

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directly, as hardcore as you have and keep their

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attention. Thank you. And it ended up being the

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superintendent of schools, 178 ,000 people. Well,

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I just, I told them, well, thank you very much.

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I appreciate it. And I didn't go there for any

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accolades. I just went there to Say what I said.

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Well, before I knew it, I see this young lady

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walking to me that I pointed out, and tears were

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streaming down her face, just pouring. And she

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reached out, and she wanted to shake my hand.

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And my only hand that works is my left hand.

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And when I went to shake it, she said, sir, I

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want you to know that you have given me hope

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that I've never had. You've pointed out things

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I've never thought about, and I want you to know,

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you have changed my life. And Debbie, I cried.

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I didn't boo -hoo, but tears were just rolling

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down my cheeks. And I couldn't talk. I couldn't

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even say anything. So sharing what you've been

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through helps a lot of other people. So when

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you said, I've been fortunate, well, that's been

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the eye of the beholder, because I've only been

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fortunate because I've made my own fortune, like

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you were commenting about. And along with that,

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you help share that fortune with other people,

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and it gives them some faith and belief. that

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they can do it as well. Point out the failures

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you've had. I've had failures or near failures,

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but you happen to catch it only because of previous

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experience. But let them know, hey, life's not

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perfect. I mean, look at me, I'm in a power wheelchair.

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I can't go do what you can do even with your

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knees. And I know I've had my knees replaced,

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my left one three times. So it's like, it's people

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can always, there's an old saying, If you believe

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something to be true, even though it's not true,

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it's true. And conversely, if you believe something

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not to be true, even though it is true, it's

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not. But that's in your head. So life is a self

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-fulfilling prophecy. If you want to do something,

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find a way to make it work. Find a way to do

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it. Ask other people, you know, talk to others.

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So you use this information and your past experiences

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and different things that you've had to help

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people. To me, that sounds like that was basically

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your call when you were able to fulfill whatever

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your thought pattern was and you knew that this

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is basically what you wanted to do. Where are

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you today as a result of everything that we just

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talked about? from the beginning of this podcast,

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obviously. And how do you feel about everything

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that we just spoke about and the accomplishments

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and everything that you've done? And how did

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that come together in your life today? I feel

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pretty good about it because of the fact that

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I mean, I just had a teacher call me here and

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they want me to speak to six classes coming up

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at a high school. It's an ROTC unit. And so They

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read my book and they said and I don't know how

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they found the book, but they found the book

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They read the book. They said hey, they realized

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how close I was and but I feel good about it

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considering everything I've been through and

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that's whether physical failures of business

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issues that have taken extra time or extra effort

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or extra looking. So could I have done some things

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better? Yes, I think we all can. But I certainly

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could have stopped years and years ago, and I

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wouldn't have this. So it's kind of like I'm

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on a path that God has given me. It's nothing

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that I've chosen. It's a path the Lord chose

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for me, and He's kept me here to share this or

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to speak with you today. Yeah, that makes sense.

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So I really appreciate you being on the show.

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Is there anything that you would like to say

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in closing about anything that we've just previously

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spoke about? If I was going to say much of anything,

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I think I would keep in mind the thing that what

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I said earlier about the things that are behind

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us and the things ahead of us are very small

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matters compared to what's in us. And always

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remember, it's always too soon to quit. It's

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always too soon to quit. You have to persevere.

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Keep prayer going, think about it, but persevere.

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You can't ever quit. That's it. Yeah. And one

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thing I would like to say in closing, too, is

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that you are an amazing example of how you moved

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forward in your life and all the positive things

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that you've done and the fact that you've accomplished,

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physically accomplished everything that you thought

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that you wanted to. kind of a dream, a goal,

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call it what you want. And that is why I have

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this show is to show people that this is possible

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through speaking, coaching, whatever, whatever

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your flavor is, whenever the person desires that

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they want to do, regardless of how they get there.

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I'm a coach, so obviously I'm going to promote

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that. But the bottom line is, regardless of how

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they get there, to have people to really accomplish

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what they feel that they want to, even if it's

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a small thing, even if it's just getting off

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the couch and making dinner, if they don't feel

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like doing that, even if it's just we're talking

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about big things here. But it's just a very small

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thing. And this is this is a very, very positive

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thing that we've conversation that we've had

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here. So thank you very much. As we close, this

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conversation is a reminder that progress really

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comes from one big decision, but from the internal

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choices we repeat. If something from today's

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discussion connected with you, take a moment

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to notice how those internal choices show up

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in your own life. This has been the Internal

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Shift Show. Thank you for listening. Thank you,

00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:08.960
Jay, for coming onto the show. I appreciate it.

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Thank you, Debbie. I appreciate it very much.